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Do Some Butch Women Want To Be Men?

Do some of you butch women want to be men?

The reason I ask is because some butch women 'can't be touched'(not penetrated or even have their lovers admire/touch their female body) and I met one that genuinely does want a penis. A lot of transexuals feel they were born i the wrong body' and I'm guessing a lot of 'extremely butch' women feel that way(hence, not wanting to be touched) but at the same time don't feel the need to get the sex change and hormone therapy.

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Ok, I'll bite.

I'm not super butch, but I'm a bit of a guy. I have mostly guy friends, I think in a masculine way, I wear mostly men's business attire. I have often, since I was a small child wished that I had been born a guy. I've always thought I would have appreciated the perks and been less bothered by the downsides than the guys I saw whining about it.

Now, part of this comes from the fact that I grew up in Texas where Men are Men and Women are some sort of twisted sex fantasy that I could never really get my head around. I grew up wanting to be a man because I wanted my confidence, courage, and brains to count for more than my DDs. I also was pretty pissed that I wasn't supposed to feel what I did for the girls (all gushy and weird), or as relaxed as I did around the guys. Oh, and that the guys would NEVER let me RPG with them... :(

Since growing up and moving away from the wretched horrible suburbs of Texas (though I do miss Oak Lawn so very much) I have found that I get more and more comfortable as a woman every day that passes.

I understand that some women have a profound psychological need to be men and vice versa and that's why we have a term and procedure for Trans, but as just kind of a butchy woman, that's not what it's about for me.

As much as I wished I had been BORN a man and as much as I felt ripped off having to put up with being a woman growing up in Texas (man was I ever an ALIEN there), I never wanted to surgically alter myself because that would not have ever given me what I wanted.

I wanted to be my father's son. I wanted to get to dominate the other guys which my mind in school without being a "cunt" "bitch" or "dyke" (looooooooong before I ever came out to anyone). Getting surgery was never going to make me happy, because it was never about my physical existence.

So yeah... I have wanted to have a penis and no I don't want to have a penis. Oh, and feel free to admire my body any time you want.

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Thanks for your honest in-deph reply. I have a few theories and think that a lot of the gender dysphoric/trans butch lesbians that can't be touched are like that because of a bad environmental/nurture experience unlike genuine trans people. Trans people usually don't identify as homosexual and are born with the chemical brain makeup of the opposite sex and the wrong organs/hormones to go with it. I myself am an andro type with a masculine outlook but and enjoy men's clothing moreso and am naturally tall/muscular/hairy... I think I got an extra shot if T in the womb or something... in anycase it has made it to where I didn't have envy for the opposite sex and got 'respect' from the opposite sex despite my masculine demeanor. Hence, I enjoy showing off/sharing my female body and don't feel like I should've been a man or want a penis.

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I will most definitely bite....lol.  I am extremely butch, I wear means clothes, cologne, and have mostly male friends.  I work on cars, I work in a predominantly male profession.  Now that ive said that, I love my body.  I revel in the fact that I have a female body and will definitly use every bit of it in the bedroom.  I understand that there are masculine women who have other preferences and thats okay.  The label butch is not all encompassing and it doesnt mean I want to be a man or that every butch wants to be a man.  It means we are more masculine and tend to identify as more masculine.   

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I can't speak for all butches (because I don't actually know all the butches of the world), but I would think that by and large - No,  butch women do not want to be men.

Being biologically female, does not necessarily make you a woman. A butch woman is still a woman, a biologically female (trans) man is a man. Likewise, a biologically male (trans) woman is a woman.  That being said, butch women come in all kinds of glorious configurations, just as femme women do. That's probably because we are butches by nature - not by design. I don't know the reasons why some are "stone", but I can easily understand how that might be fulfilling enough for those who are.

I have found that if a woman responds to me in a particularly enthusiastic way, I may very well find myself so close to the edge that reciprocation isn't really required. On the other hand, there is nothing more titillating than the touch of another woman. But, as I said before - I'm not a stone butch.

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