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President Donald Trump?

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I've seen plenty of presidential primaries but I've never seen a presidential candidate that was openly endorsed by the Neo Nazis, KKK and the Aryans. There is a real possibility that Donald Trump will be the next president. The thought of that idiotic, racist, misogynistic knuckle dragger occupying the White House completely freaks me out. What are your thoughts?  

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The idea of Trump as POTUS is appalling! He is a lying, cheating, narcissistic sociopath. He has steadfastly refused to disavow the Neo-Nazis and White Supramacists that endorse him. I went to his website to see what his positions were, Unlike the websites of Clinton and Sanders, his had no reasoned list of issues. I found instead videos of Trump sounding off on various pet peeves. Why should I expect anything different from a man who brought demagoguery to a pitch that could be likened to Huey Long? He appeals to the worse elements in the American psyche-to fear, xenophobia, and isolationism. (In my more cynical moments I think he might even study Adolf Hitler for pointers.) Do I think he could get elected? I HOPE not but FEAR so. This is the country that elected Tricky Dick, Reagan "I've got my finger on the button" and George W. (twice)! So, yeah. The frightening thing about Trump is he's so delusional that one doesn't know what he's capable of doing as POTUS. Thankfully, we do have Congress and the Supreme Court to keep a balance. Still, I as a citizen and the rest of the world would be treating him as a loose cannon  (Kim Jong Un, anyone?). Let's pray Americans do the sane thing for once and vote for whomever oppose Trump! (For my part I'd like it to be Bernie. But I'll vote Hillary.)

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There is a part of me that is terrified that the voters of the US will either not vote at all if Bernie doesn't get the nomination or refuse to vote for Hillary (because she's a woman or she can't be trusted or she's a shill for the corporations etc.). Any of those scenarios will put Trump in the White House. I have no doubt that either he's read or is reading Mein Kampf. Many people won't be able to vote at all because of voter suppression. A quote attributed to Sinclair Lewis "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross" has never been more true than it is right now. When people say that they won't vote for Hillary because it will go against their "principle" are ignoring the fact that this election is much more important than their principles, egos or sexist attitudes. 

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I agree. But there are also voters who will vote for Hillary b/c she's the alternative to Trump. A case in point is a friend of mine, whom I would have never pegged as a Hillary supporter. But he informed me the other day that he's voting for her (or for Bernie), b/c the idea of Trump being POTUS is totally unacceptable. And he's Republican to the core. I read that Trump is relying on the Sailer strategy developed in 2000. It outlined a campaign aimed at poor and working class whites, primarily males, and counted on not getting nonwhite votes. NB, it didn't work then. One can only hope that it fails to succeed in this election as well. 

On an aside, Right Wing Watch puts the number of conspiracy theories touted by Trump at 58 now! Everything from Obama birther to Christian persecution! Sheer lunacy and let's see just how much of a wingnut I can be! 

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Only 58 conspiracy theories?! Wow, he must saving the other 100,000 for Hillary or Bernie.

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These are the ones he regularly and frequently espouses, not just the one-liners. Arrrggg. Can you imagine our Chief Executive telling one of these ridiculous notions to a sane person who happens to be President of another nation? 

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The rest of the world is watching our primary freak show with great interest and fear. No doubt the Germans are probably thinking "Are the Americans really going the same horrifying road we went down?! Haven't they learned from our mistake?" If Trump wins, I wonder how fast the Canadians and the Mexicans will close their borders to keep the tsunami of Americans from flooding into their countries? 

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My roommates and I have already began work on getting our passports. A Hillary or Trump presidency will be the death of the last of what makes America, "America". Regardless if Bernie officially named democratic nominee, I know my roommates and myself will still be voting and campaigning for him. I honestly can't believe that Hillary and Trump have made it so far with the people, and still have support from the people. It's one of the most disgusting things.

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Llama:

proud of you and your roommates for not just ditching the whole political process but have chosen to participate despite what you feel are two bad choices. Sometimes it is choosing the lesser of two evils; however I have always tried to chose the person that is the closest to what I believe in and who appears to be able to bridge the gap or work with both political parties in Washington.  For me, Trump is too extreme and a racist so there is no way I would ever vote for him.  Hillary, despite her trials & tribulations, knows how to work across the aisle and get things done and our country needs that type of commitment from our President. One thing I really like about Hillary is that she doesn't make wild promises like Trump; but tells you what she wants to work on. I liked Bernie as well but unless Congress turns Democratic majority we are going to have a lot more stalemate again. I am hoping that you as being avid Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary now that she is our Democratic nominee.  She & Bernie are very close to what they want for this country and as a Democrat we ALL must do all we can to keep Trump from getting into the White House. 

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Honestly, I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Trump, if my life depended on it. Generally elections do come down to the voting of the lesser of two evils. However, I live in America. America was built on specific ideals and is called a great land for a reason, but its been corrupted and distorted from the inside by the people with money or names who have been put in power. I don't care how progressive or democratic Hillary Clinton claims to be- she's a liar, a flip-flopper, and just as bad a trump. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils", when I have a man who knows what needs done to save this country properly, right in front of me.

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It sucks when our elections always seems to come down to having to choose between "the lesser of the two evils". Keeping that in mind, how about choosing a true evil? Cthulhu was a deity that the author H.P. Lovecraft wrote about in several of his novels. By having these images of Cthulhu in this post, I am NOT mocking your feelings about Hillary or Trump. I'm just so burned out by this on going, seemingly never ending steaming pile of horse manure also known as presidential primaries. Next payday, I plan on buying a "Cthulhu for President" t-shirt. Actually, I'd love to see a Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ticket! cthulhu_by_mcdermid-d37doxi.jpg

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I actually love those, thanks for sharing (; I understand, and agree- it could always be worse. It could also always get worse, and that's what I'm hoping my campaigning and speaking to others will help prevent, is things becoming worse!

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Trump is such a hateful, evil, nasty waste of skin that I'm expecting him to choose Cthulhu for his VP. It wouldn't surprise me a bit......

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Agreed!

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I read a article about the possibility that Trump might be in the early stages of dementia. It's dated October 1, 2015 on the website deathandtaxesmag.com and I think it makes a pretty good argument that Trump's mental ship is still in dry dock. One thing I learned was that his father had Alzheimer's. I went to the website for the Alzheimer's Association: "Another strong risk factor is family history. Those who have a parent, brother, sister or child with Alzheimer’s are more likely to develop the disease. The risk increases if more than one family member has the illness. When diseases tend to run in families, either heredity (genetics) or environmental factors, or both, may play a role." They have a list of the early signs of Alzheimer's that you can compare with Donald "Cheetos wiener" Trump's behavior. The thought that IT might be suffering from dementia and IT might get into the White House and have ITs orange claws hovering near the nuclear launch codes scares the living crap out of me. If that fool starts a nuclear war with Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Mexico, Peru, Canada, Belize, Lithuania or some other country that ticks him off, there won't be anyplace on this planet to hide. :(

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Very, very true. And that is a terrifying thought.

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I just read an article in Mother Jones that was basically a series of tweets from a Trump rally in Gainesboro. Very scary. The level of hatred, anger, and intolerance displayed by those present towards protesters or anyone looking "too indie" was appalling. I finally put my money where my mouth is and sent in a donation to Hilary, as she is the Democratic nominee. Trump and his followers frighten and embarrass me. Americans are better than this.

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I wish we could have a do-over of this entire election year - all of our options are terrifying. I swore I wouldn't vote Trump (was hoping conservatives within the GOP would run a third party or independent candidate) but after Orlando, I may have to. So discouraging.

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You seem to be an intelligent woman so I'm puzzled as to why you would vote for a man that has consistently vomited out racist, sexist, anti-Muslim comments. From The Guardian July 2, 2015:

Donald Trump doubled down on his claim that Mexican immigrants are responsible for a large number of rapes in the US on Wednesday. “Who’s doing the raping,” Trump shot back in an interview when challenged on his controversial remarks.

The businessman and would-be president, who launched his presidential campaign with an attack on Mexican immigrants as drug dealers, criminals and rapists, has claimed that there is “mind-boggling” link between rape and illegal immigration.

“If you look at the statistics of people coming, you look at the statistics on rape, on crime, on everything coming in illegally into this country it’s mind-boggling!” he said in an interview with CNN on Wednesday night.

From USA Today August 8,2015: Referring to the Thursday debate in which Kelly asked Trump about past insults to women, the billionaire told CNN on Friday regarding the Fox News anchor: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."

From The Guardian Dec. 7,2015:

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” the billionaire real estate developer said.

From MSNBC June 28,2015: 

Donald Trump said he would force the people of Mexico to build his vowed border wall to keep immigrants out of the United States, warning that if his order was not fulfilled, he would do something “severe.”

When asked how he might force the country to build this wall, Trump said in an interview that aired on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday, “you force them because we give them a fortune. Mexico makes a fortune because of us. A wall is a tiny little peanut compared to that. I would do something very severe unless they contributed or gave us the money to build the wall.”

The 2016 presidential candidate added: “I’d build it. I’d build it very nicely. I’m very good at building things.”

From ABC News Nov. 17, 2015:

Presidential front-runner Donald Trump told ABC's Barbara Walters today that he would ban all Syrian refugees, both Christian and Muslim, from entering the US and that the screening process for Syrian refugees seeking entry into the country needs to be "superior" to what it is now.

Trump, who sat down with Walters in an interview for ABC News' "20/20," said it was tough to distinguish one group from the other.

"The problem is, we don't [know] if they're Christian or not," Trump said. "I would certainly say that (the screening test) would be superior. ... We have no idea who the people are. They have no papers. They have no paperwork. You can get forged documents very easily in Syria." 

Why would you vote for a man that is loved by racist organizations? The KKK, David Duke and the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer have all endorsed Trump.

 

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@Dot2525 Are you asking me?

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Yes I am. It sounds like you aren't crazy about Trump at all. Your hopes for another GOP candidate may come true. From The Washington Post 6/17/16: 

"Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP presidential nominee.

The moves come amid declining poll numbers for Trump and growing concern among Republicans that he is squandering his chance to defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. Several controversies — including his racial attacks on a federal judge, his renewed call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States and his support for changing the nation’s gun laws — have raised fears among Republicans that Trump is not really a conservative and is too reckless to run a successful race.

Given the strife, a growing group of anti-Trump delegates is convinced that enough like-minded Republicans will band together in the next month to change party rules and allow delegates to vote for whomever they want at the convention, regardless of who won state caucuses or primaries."

If the delegates are successful, who would you like to see as the GOP candidate? 

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@Dot2525 I think that's a pipe dream. I would support someone like Jeb, Rubio, Kasich, Ryan, or Romney (most of whom have said 'It won't be me'). Honestly, I wish Nikki Haley would run; but I think, at this point, it's Trump or Clinton (unless she's indicted, in which case Trump or Sanders). I don't trust either Sanders or Clinton to protect us. Trump will, if clumsily. The advantage of who Trump is, as a person, is that his ego is so big, he won't laugh off failures (like the current administration). This means he's quite likely to pull a W. and surround himself with a cabinet of demonstrably capable people that he will allow to advise him, if only to avoid failure. Trump also won't allow gay to be slaughtered en mass to avoid being called a bigot - he clearly doesn't care if he's called a bigot. Good. I don't want a leader who will risk my life for their reputation or popularity - I don't, as either a gay person or a woman, matter more than violent religious zealots simply because they're religious or a different color than I am.
That said, my problem with Trump is that he is not a conservative. He has demonstrated no understanding of conservative political philosophy or Classical Economic Theory. Your source is wrong about why conservatives have identified Trump as not being a conservative. It has nothing to do with his foreign policy positions. He espouses views that are, synthetically true, liberal. He wants a single payer health care system, which inherently creates a monopoly and infringes upon the free market; he also goes back and forth on supporting "gun control" which is in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution, for example. I gave up on perfect candidates years ago, when I accepted that Condi would never run. Now, I'm playing strategy, which can be summed up as 'Who won't get me killed' and 'Who won't strip me of rights'. I don't know if that answered your questions. I hope it did. You said a lot, though to be fair, much of it was citation. I didn't address much of your quotes, though if I was worried about racists, rapists, or bigot, that alone would rule out a Clinton vote (my not being a socialist at all rules out Sanders). Like I said, I wanted to opt out, but post-Orlando, I can't do that. Sadly, Trump it is.

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*gay = gay people (that's why ya proofread)

*matter less, not matter more (geez, me - I wrote that sentence differently, at first, and didn't catch that needed correction)

*bigots, plural (I promise I will proofread, in the future)

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Some of the GOP delegates tried to stage a revolt to stop Trump but were quickly crushed, stomped on and burned to a crisp. I was wondering if they had a chance. Sadly, they did not. I admire their courage for trying.

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Frankly, voting democrat or republican leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think the country has ever put forth two candidates who are as disliked as Trump and Clinton. There is an alternative. A pretty good one. I intend to vote for the Libertarian candidate - Gary Johnson.  I doubt he can win because he simply isn't as well known as the other candidates, but I believe in him and would encourage anyone who doesn't know who is to look him up.  Who knows? You may already be a libertarian without even realizing it.

 

 

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